Y’know Laurel, I’ve got family in the vacinity of Bakersfield, Ca. and at some point (don’t rightly remember what inspired me) I looked up the demographic info for the area and came up with some interesting results. The state of California currently claims about 43% of the residents in Bakersfield to be Hispanic...but I’ve actually been to Bakersfield many times and I can assure you, the real number is something like 80% Hispanic. The fact is that you rarely see a white face in that city now.
Now, I don’t know if the discrepancy is due to Mexican unwillingness to take part in the census or intentional distortion of the data by the government but whatever the cause, I’ve garnered from the observation a healthy skepticism of state demographic statistics. Sorry to be such a cinic but for what its worth, that’s my two cents.
I am just trying to get a “feel” for different areas at this point. Government stats (Bakersfield or my own town being a good case in point) often don’t paint a currently accurate picture. But it’s something to start from. There’s nothing like research in person to tell you about a place, or to ask folks who live in an area.
Job availability is, of course, another consideration. Actually, I tend to blame job availability for our scattered state. Years ago I remember being told “go where the jobs are”. Now I would say, go where there are people like yourself, and create jobs.
So which is is, Sherod? Stay and fight or maneuver and strategize? You can’t pretend be a hero and and tell people what you think they want to hear , junior.
And another thing, boy; you don’t get to tell me when my point is made. I didn’t just spend 6 years in the desert catching mortars, dodging RPGs and watching real men bleed so some indecisive little computer geek playing revolutionary could tell me when I was done speaking. When you so much as break a sweat serving something other than your imagination I may start to take you seriously.
Are you as surpised as I am to see such a fair and accurate article on Yahoo! News, Miss Loflund? Is anyone? I would have expected the MSM to trash that gathering post-haste, but to actually see a “credible” (in the eyes of most modern Americans) news outlet quote a liberal slamming the SPLC without so much as even a vieled quip has me completely floored.
“They call everybody racists,” ...Yeehaw! Ain’t it the truth?!
Some iron-fisted, swaztika-wearing editor must have fallen asleep at the wheel…
Childish comments? You’re yellow, boy. How’s that for childish?
You mechanically spout the same ol’ rhetorical, go nowhere monolouge every other tough talker talks.
“The whiteman through the media and gov’t schools has been socially engineered to reject coming together as people.”
Did someone send you a pamphlet? Cookie-cutter verbosity. Blatant hypocrisy. Maybe the people in your community don’t have the slightest bit of cohesion, but around here it would be very foolish to forsake your people and run off to the hills. The folks around here stick together, a neighbor is still a neighbor and when there is a problem, be it a friend in need or an all-out invasion, we do what we must for each other to make it right. You’re taking your position directly from the Mexican playbook. Things tough at home? That’s ok, just run. Go somewhere else. You think our problems won’t follow like the Mexicans’ do?
You underestimate your people, cousin. We are civilization at its pinnacle, destroyed by attitudes like yours at present. When White men had the fortitude to stand their ground, we were second only to the Lord. We pushed, and we won. Now what? We run, we build, they come and destroy. What then? Run again?
“[It] should be obvious the numbers game will win [every time]”
After that statement, I stand by my former “childish” comment. Here’s a verse you should adopt, instead:
Shoulder pressed in close to shoulder,
Let the odds make each heart bolder!
To arms! To arms! To arms in Dixie!
Miss Loflund, do you recall who wrote the piece on Southern gentlemen and the importance of honorable violence, specificlly the duel? If you remember, and the blog is still intact, please direct this young man to said post.
MBK, please refrain from namecalling. Ok? I make appeal to your manners. I know you feel strongly about all this, but we need to maintain decorum here or the board will descend into a chaos of scurrility. I’m not suggesting you drape your thoughts in hazy circumlocution, but let’s not get into language like “you lousy so and so”. And “boy”? C’mon now?
By the way, I’m not going anywhere. I’m ot running off to some Morning Glory Farms in south brumblepuppy Idaho. I have no connection to that soil at all. We can’t get pushed off our soil. I do think some consolidation in the South is worth considering, but I doubt it will pass the common sense test.
You guys are thinking too much in sand bag and machine gun nest mentality. I’m sure you realize that concentrating in one area is exactly what they want us to do. Then we can be isolated, targeted, cut-off, embargoed, etc. A distributed model is far better. The discussion needs to be around how we make a distributed model work. MBK is correct, though he has a cantankerous and curmudgeonly way of saying it. That’s him, I guess, and I don’t want anyone to change themselves, just to put on their manners hats when they post here.
Further, intentional communities are not organic; they don’t come up out of the soil. They are ideological entities and thus they are weaker. Our project is far, far more long term than what you are envisioning. I tell you, if we high tail it to Montana or wherever, they will have won without firing a shot. If we want to save our people, we need to stay put and become examples. If we HAPPEN to live near one another, then great. That is real community. If we move to be near one another, that is also acceptable, as long as we have real reasons for doing so. Vacating the East is not creating organic community, its creating a self-isolated compound. If we want to die like Branch Davidians, the we settle in some remote place and raise our “freak flag”.
Maybe the South is lost now. Our job is to try to un-lose it. The day may come when we are forced to vacate, but that time is not now. That said, it is important that Kinists do what they can to live like Kinists. Get some land where you are if you can afford it. If not, move to where you can afford it. But stay close to your kin and your White friends. You’ll need them and you need to proselytize them.
Grow some stuff. Build some stuff. Read the Bible to your kids every night. Steep them in the Celtic myths, the Saxon and Nordic myths, as well as the Greek. Homeschool your kids. Take this stuff seriously. It ain’t just words on a message board. It’s flesh and blood. Learn about the various forms of agrarianism and steep yourself in medieval history. Learn a handicraft. Start a home economy. Make your kids work beside you. Get out of debt. Buy some gold. You know what to do. I know I’m preaching to the choir, but let me exhort you and encourage you to make a plan to make it real where you are and spread the word.
MBK, before we start to get personal here lets not forget what this site is about. Its obvious you don’t get what I am saying and I understand that. Your childish comments like “I’m starting to wonder if you deserve to be known as a Tarheel” are just that. Let’s move on and be more constructive in our comments and thoughts here.
I full understand the thoughts about digging in all one family and all and fighting the hords of the world. But that will not bring oabout the survival of our people.
Witness black people, mexicans, jews alike. They all stick together and live together. This is strength in their thought pattern regarding their blood. Their blood as a people means something to them. It deserves protection and support and they give it to their own kind. In New York there is a Jewish neighborhood. They have a crew of big guys going out every night looking for people of color to escort them out of their neighborhood either in a freindly way or the other way. The whiteman through the media and gov’t schools has been socially engineered to reject coming together as people. They will stand alone because....well maybe their just brave or probably they are afraid to be called a racist for hooking up with their own. Can you imagine for one minute whites doing the same as these jews in the south to clear out people of color in their neighborhoods at night?
You can be brave and strong all you want but in the end witness the Jenna 6. Six blacks attacking and stomping one white kid into the ground. And then tens of thousands of blacks coming from every state in the country to support that attack on that child. Whites would never do that and could usually care less. I should be obvious the numbers game will win everytime.
A scattered, disorganized, directionless, people will accomplish only their demise. Am I wrong in any way in this statement here.
Your friendly thots?
Just as I reminded MBK of his manners, I feel I need to do the same in this case. “Childish” is uncalled for . Let’s keep this civil please. And MBK, just because you disagree with Sherod doesn’t mean you have the right to demean him here. Let’s try providing reasoned argument and not zingers and indignant jabs about who’s really a Tarheel.
Then it appears you are not really talking about saving “our people” as in Whites, but only a sympathetic and tiny minority amongst them, correct? Millions of White people aren’t going to move to Idaho. We need a generation or two to grow a racial consciousness within Whites. Meantime, we should try to live like Kinists as close to other Kinists as we can with a minimum of costly upheaval. These things have to happen gradually. A mass exodus of folks to Idaho would likely mean massive poverty and possibly starvation unless employers pull up stakes and move operations there. Half of the people who attempted to subsistence farm, if any were dumb enough to try, would starve and be on relief. No. There is a better way, and it involves much less upheaval.
Sherod, you take the one case of the Jena six and turn it into a principle. Many White folks in the South and elsewhere are living peaceable, productive lives. They love the South and would not abandon her until every drop of their blood had soaked into the soil. You are asking people to pull up hundreds of years of roots without a thought. That’s unrealistic in my opinion. Unification can happen right where you are, or with minimal relocation. Whites are still a majority, both in the South and elsewhere. I am not fortunate enough to live in the South at the current time, but I live amongst White people. I don’t think you’re a coward. I simply think that you are a bit too dazzled by the appeal of a “clean break” solution. It once appealed to me too. Blacks and Jews live together because they are a minority. We are everywhere and still 70% of the population. You want to take a majority and make it behave like a minority? This is our country and they haven’t quite taken it over just yet. You want to fight a real fight? Try to get Whites to wake up to what will happen and is happening to them.
The easiest way to stigmatize Kinism is to concentrate it and move it to some remote location. The coloreds and Jews can get away with policing their neighborhoods because they are favored minorities, not because they have more balls. They are PERMITTED to do it. Whites are not. Heck, one faked swastika on one synagogue is enough to mobilize the entire mass media. It ain’t lack of courage, it’s a stacked deck and complicity from other Whites. When the FBI comes to interrogate you about your involvement in hate crime, you gonna give them the fascist salute? We have to take stock of our real influence, our real strength, our real abilities, and fight against real power, not make heroic gestures. You say the survival of “our people”. You think you’re going to take every White and move them to the Northwest? Ain’t happening. Not unless a comet hits the Earth and folks are lookin’ for high ground. So you must be referring to saving a remnant of the people. Not the people as a whole. Think about what is actually going to happen, not what you wish would happen. Millions of Whites aren’t moving to Idaho to form a new country. Even the Exodus folks don’t have a plan that grandiose. They are at least realistic enough to realize that they just want to overwhelmingly affect local politics, so they can change the laws. The reality of parasitic peoples is that they follow their host. Wherever Whites are successful, there will be colored looking to make him feel guilty that they don’t have a piece of his pie. Idaho is not exempt from this process.
Do you really think you are safe from Leviathan or Mexicans in Idaho? We have Mexicans because the law allows them to be here, or we refuse to enforce the laws. The constitution now reads that if you own a business in White Idaho and a Mexican thinks he wants to work for you up there, you can’t refuse to hire him on the basis of his race. That’s the law. It’s the law there and it’s the law here. You being in Idaho doesn’t make it any less of a law. The government has folks who go around auditing hiring practices. If you don’t meet your quota of coloreds, you’re subject to the law there same as here. The South is still the strongest repository of Christian, pro-White, racially conscious sentiment in the country. It’s tattered, it’s divided, it’s broken, but it survives.
You know what you’ll get hanging out with the Aryans in Idaho? Enmity from people who think you’re a Jew Lover worshiping a Jewish God. They don’t care if you’re White because to them to be a Christian is to be a race traitor. You’re going to unify with THEM? This Aryan-Kinist unity you see, where does it exist? How CAN it exist? I know of about 10 families living the Kinist lifestyle in the Appalachian region. Are you suggesting that they pull up stakes and move to Idaho to be near an Aryan who wouldn’t know the ### end of a cow from the front of one? Want to “take your stand”? Move near a Kinist and live like a Kinist. Kinism is White, Theonomic agrarianism. You remove any one of those components and you get something other than Kinism. Kinism and ethnic nationalism are NOT synonymous. Kinism is a doctrine that includes everything from metaphysics to economics to foreign policy.
Do you really think an openly racist community will be permitted to thrive in Idaho without a real fight? not for long and not if there’s a significant number of them. Leviathan does not share power nor permit you to demur from its social engineering, as you put it. Your community stands a really good chance of losing that fight against the folks with helicopters and Specter Gunships. Secession? Pish posh. The Amish are left alone because they are irrelevant. They don’t vote, they have no interest in the country at large. If it happens out among “the English” they don’t care. That’s why they are left alone. Soon as you start to say that this country should be for Whites alone, soon as you proselytize, soon as you say that the moral law of the Old Testament still obtains, you’re a target in Idaho, in South Carolina, wherever. Do you really think that we should simply abandon the country and our fellow White families to whatever befalls them outside our little slice of heaven in the Northwest? Don’t you think you are giving up a little prematurely? Tanks can be flown anywhere in the country. All the pretext they need is a report of child abuse or a weapons cache and pretty soon your compound, your whole town is in flames.
Where are folks gonna work in Idaho? What happens when 50% of the people who try to undertake subsistence farming don’t make it? What then? We all going to take in each other’s laundry? No, this thing has to be undertaken with the utmost of realism. Creating a local majority in a state with one electoral vote will not change the Federal laws that are killing us. We need to do two things: influence where we are and try to work change at the local level, and try to gain some influence at the national level. If you want to live like an outlaw, then Idaho’s the place. I, for one, am not ready to give the whole dang shootin’ match over to the enemy so that they can bullseye my people holed up in Buffalo Butt.
[ Edited: 04 October 2007 07:04 PM by John Marshall ]
Population (year 2000): 25,514. Estimated population in July 2006: 26,242 (+2.9% change)
Races in Anderson:
* White Non-Hispanic (62.5%)
* Black (34.0%)
* Hispanic (1.5%)
* Two or more races (1.2%)
* Other race (0.7%)
* American Indian (0.6%)
Interesting information for the secession-minded.
God bless,
Laurel
Laurel, Christian Exodus is only incidentally racial in nature, not explicitly so. That is because no self-respecting colored wants anything to do with the laws these people would put in place. I mean, where would the government jobs come from?
John, I am not sure who you are refering to regarding your statements on Idaho or Montana. I have never advocated running off anywhere. I jumped in on the thread where Ehud was saying “Go Northwest.” I merely said for a retreat or fall back scenario the Blueridge mountains would be better. That is all.
I am for building communities within our respective areas with one eye on the future and if something should happen we would have the organizatational infrastructure in place to ensure our survival as a people.
Maybe the South is lost now. Our job is to try to un-lose it. The day may come when we are forced to vacate, but that time is not now. That said, it is important that Kinists do what they can to live like Kinists. Get some land where you are if you can afford it. If not, move to where you can afford it. But stay close to your kin and your White friends.
John’s last couple posts were very helpful in weighing in options. I just learned that one family member of mine, who loves the mountains and wildlife, is heading northwest for now, and another is heading for the Appalachian region. Perhaps the solution to our problem at large lies in different solutions for each family or community - no one right answer?
Vacating the East is not creating organic community, its creating a self-isolated compound. If we want to die like Branch Davidians, the we settle in some remote place and raise our “freak flag”.
You’re right on that, John. Nothing like painting a target on our collective belly and saying “Come and get us.”
John Marshall - 04 October 2007 01:34 AM
Maybe the South is lost now. Our job is to try to un-lose it. The day may come when we are forced to vacate, but that time is not now. That said, it is important that Kinists do what they can to live like Kinists. Get some land where you are if you can afford it. If not, move to where you can afford it. But stay close to your kin and your White friends. You’ll need them and you need to proselytize them.
Grow some stuff. Build some stuff. Read the Bible to your kids every night. Steep them in the Celtic myths, the Saxon and Nordic myths, as well as the Greek. Homeschool your kids. Take this stuff seriously. It ain’t just words on a message board. It’s flesh and blood. Learn about the various forms of agrarianism and steep yourself in medieval history. Learn a handicraft. Start a home economy. Make your kids work beside you. Get out of debt. Buy some gold. You know what to do. I know I’m preaching to the choir, but let me exhort you and encourage you to make a plan to make it real where you are and spread the word.
I have no quibbles with what you say here, John. Yet I think what’s happening with Ehud and folks like myself is that we find ourselves on the ever-shrinking island, surrounded by a sea of brown, and we want out badly, we want to be like people like ourselves. So the thought process that happens is, “This isn’t working. Now what? Now where?”
If I stay close to Kin, I stay here, at least until my much loved parents pass away. My job here is relatively secure (if I my beliefs remain unknown). What little land we have is here, but I feel zero connection with it. I yearn to be near people who really understand what I think and feel, who are like me, who I can talk to freely. Even in my own family, while we share basic beliefs, I can’t be completely honest. I can’t be honest in my church for fear of the unbiblical egalitarianism that might crop up and level me.
So, those of us in this situation, including myself, are tempted to circle the wagons somewhere.
I am not sure what a distributed model would look like. Can you help me understand?
God bless, and keep us all talking to each other,
Laurel
Laurel, Christian Exodus is only incidentally racial in nature, not explicitly so. That is because no self-respecting colored wants anything to do with the laws these people would put in place. I mean, where would the government jobs come from?
There might be benefits from tagging onto an already existing secessionist movement. Incidentally racialist is better than not racialist at all.
Are you as surpised as I am to see such a fair and accurate article on Yahoo! News, Miss Loflund? Is anyone? I would have expected the MSM to trash that gathering post-haste, but to actually see a “credible” (in the eyes of most modern Americans) news outlet quote a liberal slamming the SPLC without so much as even a vieled quip has me completely floored.
“They call everybody racists,” ...Yeehaw! Ain’t it the truth?!
Some iron-fisted, swaztika-wearing editor must have fallen asleep at the wheel…
Yes, MBK, I thought the article quite remarkably balanced, which is why I posted it here. And the secessionist movement must be pretty strong for them not to come rip-roaring after it.
Yup, the SPLC calls everyone racist. When you cry wolf too frequently, which is what they do by calling everyone racist, folks no longer believe you when you do.
It is certainly good to hear them tarred in the media for a change, rather than some of us.
