Ehud Would, I never suggested staring down the barrel of the invader’s gun with an open shirt and an empty hand. I certainly didn’t suggest total abandonment of all strategy, but I’ll not give one ounce of myself to those we can so easily control for any amount of safety.
I’m not opposed to a White Northwest. It sure beats the alternative.
I am opposed to a dark Dixie, and will die to save Her from the alternative.
Save yourselves, I suppose, but tell your children of the good, Southern men who did what they believed was right above what others believed was safe.
Kinswoman, your sense of history is fuzzy. Your pilgrim ancestors did exactly that. They ran. We run no more.
If anyone is sympathetic to your Grampaw’s story, it’s me (something else Miss Loflund understands perfectly), but there is a 10 acre field of difference between where he was then and where we are now. We aren’t abandoned behind enemy lines, clawing our way home. We ARE home. The stranger is within our gates (for the Kipling fans), not the other way around.
This conversation is going to make me lose sleep. Is this the core of resistance? I pray to The Almighty you’re all soft speakers and heavy hitters.
Geez folks, I don’t think you are getting the big picture here that Ehud and myself seem to be agreeing on. These so called isolated defensive engagements you seem to be advocating are just that and can not accomplish anything but sure defeat of a scattered and disorganized people. I think the Kinswoman’s grandpa is great but this is a different world we live in today from the WWII days. One in which the whites not only have less rights than the minorities but the majority of whites themselves work to promote that.
Now to Ehud’s question. The south is the best place to bring about the organizational cohesion of the kinsfolk. The south was born in rebellion to big gov’t. The south is rich in natural resources and the southern white people on balance are more conservative and christian than the rest of the country - read bible belt. The south has many anti-gov’t heritage groups i.e. the Los, a secession group, the SCV - i.e. Son’s of Confederate Veterans, the Confederate Legion, another secession group. The UDC and OCR - i.e. female groups honoring the confederate veterans. Now these groups are overwhelmingly white but like I mentioned before - open to racial integration. My point here is there are more freindlies here that are already in organized groups and have the rebellion mindset.
The smoky/blueridge mountains are a very safe area for a fall back - IF needed. Those who don’t plan ahead generally lose their head. Also a perfect place to plan a community in the future.
Folks, again it might be brave to stand in front of an oncoming freight train but the idea is about survival of our people, not showing how brave one is for that moment. Even General Lee fell back to regroup and played the defensive game. When the situation calls for it, one should do it.
A scattered, disorganized, directionless, people will accomplish only their demise. I don’t think this statement can be refuted.
Hmm. There’s alot of food for thought in this thread. Sherod, you augment MBK’s argument well with deference to the anti-govt. heritage groups of the South. Surely, we find more of the historical Christian Anti-Federalist sentiment represented in groups like the LoS but in the Northwest we find its close cousin in the White/ Christian Patriot groups. The greatest divides between these groups seem strictly geographical but the South admittedly has the greater historical legacy. Is that legacy the deciding catalyst? Perhaps, but it must, of neccessity, manifest in a populous way. Frankly, the South is failing at this while the Northwest is experiencing far greater returns.
I daresay that in the contemporary Southern fight for Blood and Soil the comitment to blood is endangered for the sake of the soil. Now you might conversely say that the Northwestern push relenquishes soil for the commitment to blood but our separate and isolated stakes of land are useless if we haven’t a posterity to whom they may be passed; the South seems to be losing this posterity. Boise may just prove to be the new Dixie.
But really, I’d be all the happier if my logistical pragmatism were proven wrong in this matter. I pray for the refortification of a White Christian South-- it, along with the NW, would form an axis of traditional America connected by a sympathetic Mid-West. In the event of what appears to be an immanent balkanization of the U.S. these regions would become the new Confederacy.
And Kinswoman, you’ve got quite a heritage to preserve.
Sherod, General Lee didn’t run from the Yankee invaders and settle a new land when things got tough. “Falling back” and tucking tail are two different things. Bobby Lee Fought not only for his people, but their home, and I can’t see that man even entertaining what you’re suggesting.
Can you imagine; the Great Robert E. Lee, living in Oregon! Ba!
By the way, I don’t know what part of the Old North State you reside in, but around my parts it is considered very inappropriate to throw Robert Lee’s name around as much it has been in this thread.
MKB, I read General Lee’s biography. The words I used was fall back, regroup and played the defensive game. After Gettysburg HE fell back i.e. came back to Virginia from Pennsylvania regrouped and dug in. Try reading either Lee’s biography or my post a litter better. Your way off here my friend.
Also, not sure where you are coming from but attending SCV meetings, Los meetings, and The Southern Party meetings for years we all talked about Robert E. Lee many times in many ways in many places. Don’t a clue where you are coming from with that statement of throwing Lee’s name around. Never heard anyone say anything like that before.
You read his biography? And that makes you all knowing in the subject of protecting our people?
I read your post and I read it again. Then I read it one more time. I know what you wrote. You used an example of something General Lee did (out of context, I may add) to further your point. That is throwing the man’s name around. I, Sir, am a member of the Sons Of Confederate Veterans and we often talk of General Lee, but we don’t try to win arguments by invoking his name while presuming we know what he would do in any given situation. We are raised, around here, to be more respectful of our long dead heroes. We only know what he did. What he did not was pack his family up and seek more hospitable ground.
You tried to liken The Army Of Northern Virgina returning home and fortifying to a mass exodus. General Lee returned home. He didn’t run off to the Northwest in a cowardly attempt to escape the bayonet of the invader. You must have “falling back and playing the defensive game” confused with complete withdrawal. If you admire the General so much you really ought to be more careful when choosing to use his name to make a point. Then you should follow his good example: dig in and do your damnedest to protect what your father passed to you.
I’m starting to wonder if you deserve to be known as a Tarheel.
My friends, must we fight...each other? Over differences in tactics and locale?
My two favorite figures from the War Between the States are Lee and Jackson. As a woman, I don’t claim to have insight as to how Lee would have fought that War, or this War. I do know that after the War, Lee chose to live simply, and build an institution of higher learning. He chose to build.
As Kinists, we are people of the land we have inherited from our forefathers; as contemporary Americans, we often think everything can be solved if we just move somewhere else. I know I fall prey to this kind of thinking frequently, because my fantasies are full of moving back home...to me, that feels like Texas…
There really is no place on this continent which has not been invaded. Southwestern Florida has “gotten tough” on illegal immigration. Some bright bulb in the immigration business figured out that these folks could move to Windsor, Ontario, Canada, and apply for refugee status, which they are doing in droves. They are applying as refugees from FLORIDA to live in CANADA.
I think more important than the actual locale is the resistance of its residents to the influx of foreigners. One could draw the analogy of a healthy White community to a healthy immune system that fights off invaders.
Anyway, just my two cents.
God bless us and keep us talking with each other,
Laurel
MBK, before we start to get personal here lets not forget what this site is about. Its obvious you don’t get what I am saying and I understand that. Your childish comments like “I’m starting to wonder if you deserve to be known as a Tarheel” are just that. Let’s move on and be more constructive in our comments and thoughts here.
I full understand the thoughts about digging in all one family and all and fighting the hords of the world. But that will not bring oabout the survival of our people.
Witness black people, mexicans, jews alike. They all stick together and live together. This is strength in their thought pattern regarding their blood. Their blood as a people means something to them. It deserves protection and support and they give it to their own kind. In New York there is a Jewish neighborhood. They have a crew of big guys going out every night looking for people of color to escort them out of their neighborhood either in a freindly way or the other way. The whiteman through the media and gov’t schools has been socially engineered to reject coming together as people. They will stand alone because....well maybe their just brave or probably they are afraid to be called a racist for hooking up with their own. Can you imagine for one minute whites doing the same as these jews in the south to clear out people of color in their neighborhoods at night?
You can be brave and strong all you want but in the end witness the Jenna 6. Six blacks attacking and stomping one white kid into the ground. And then tens of thousands of blacks coming from every state in the country to support that attack on that child. Whites would never do that and could usually care less. I should be obvious the numbers game will win everytime.
A scattered, disorganized, directionless, people will accomplish only their demise. Am I wrong in any way in this statement here.
I think, due to the nature of the politically-sanctioned invasion of our country, that the “falling back, regrouping, and reclaiming” will take more than one generation, unlike the examples given from previous wars. I do not see, and did not mean, that a migration to the Northwest would be necessarily permanent, but certainly more than one generation, IF, as Ehud would pointed out, we are not to “endanger our commitment to blood for the sake of the soil.”
MBK, you said falling back and tucking tail are two different things. Lee had somewhere to fall back to. What if he hadn’t? What if we no longer do? And as far as Pilgrims running, to accuse them of running is like saying they ran from a hungry lion into an angry grizzly’s den, as far as what they faced in the New World, and continued to battle when they had the opportunity to “run” back home to England. They had nowhere to fall back to.
Thoughtful post Kinswoman. I think the fall back scenario is being taking a little out of context. I do not advocate running off in the mountains to live like Grizzley Adams. I came in on this thread when Ehud was suggesting a good place to relocate i.e. the Northwest. I suggested the Blueridge mts were better and gave the reasons why. That is all.
That being said, a fall back area is not an unwise thing to consider or prepare for in the future. It is a wise people who look to their future and prepare for any type of future scenario. I feel you already know this reading your post. Before anything can remotely be considered for some type of kinism organization there must be some type of group/blood cohension. There must be some type of coming together and an understanding between us first.
Childish comments? You’re yellow, boy. How’s that for childish?
You mechanically spout the same ol’ rhetorical, go nowhere monolouge every other tough talker talks.
“The whiteman through the media and gov’t schools has been socially engineered to reject coming together as people.”
Did someone send you a pamphlet? Cookie-cutter verbosity. Blatant hypocrisy. Maybe the people in your community don’t have the slightest bit of cohesion, but around here it would be very foolish to forsake your people and run off to the hills. The folks around here stick together, a neighbor is still a neighbor and when there is a problem, be it a friend in need or an all-out invasion, we do what we must for each other to make it right. You’re taking your position directly from the Mexican playbook. Things tough at home? That’s ok, just run. Go somewhere else. You think our problems won’t follow like the Mexicans’ do?
You underestimate your people, cousin. We are civilization at its pinnacle, destroyed by attitudes like yours at present. When White men had the fortitude to stand their ground, we were second only to the Lord. We pushed, and we won. Now what? We run, we build, they come and destroy. What then? Run again?
“[It] should be obvious the numbers game will win [every time]”
After that statement, I stand by my former “childish” comment. Here’s a verse you should adopt, instead:
Shoulder pressed in close to shoulder,
Let the odds make each heart bolder!
To arms! To arms! To arms in Dixie!
Miss Loflund, do you recall who wrote the piece on Southern gentlemen and the importance of honorable violence, specificlly the duel? If you remember, and the blog is still intact, please direct this young man to said post.
MBK, if you live in the sort of enclave which you describe in the last post you actually have something like what others among us are seeking...a real community. Under those circumstances I certainly understand your compunctions-- you’ve got no reason to go elsewhere but others among us really are islands unto ourselves-- single families bunkered down, with no local, likeminded or even civil neighbors to call on and no reinforcements on the horizon. So whether I steered my course for the Idaho panhandle or made a beeline for your neighborhood, it would amount to what you call a “cut ‘n run” but hey, even Daniel eventually wanted out of the lion’s den. Basicly, I’m you...a stubborn hold-out, except, I’m the very last one in these parts. Heck, I travel a good eight cities or so away every Sunday morning just to go to a semi-white Christian Church and the only thing keeping it at all White is the fact that its in a very wealthy neighborhood.
The flag of California is emblazoned with the rebel bear but she died a long time ago. The only hope for families like mine is to ‘regroup’-- to neighborhoods like yours.
As for Sherod, extend the brother some charity; he’s entertaining the subject as I proposed it. I was afterall, looking for feedback and groping for some concensus in this group about the relative virtues of the ‘Christian Exodus’ (South Carolina) and the Northwest Migration. And he’s not suggesting abdication or capitulation to the enemy. He’s talking strategy, nothing more. And if you’re unwilling to consider ‘migrations’ as an option, you wind up turning away all your kin now gathering to South Carolina! You’re right when you say we must “press shoulder to shoulder” but that means migration.
MBK, isn’t there a video game you can be busying yourself with?
There are more important things on this forum than your childish rants. We are stratgegizing here. Since your neighborhood is perfect standing shoulder to shoulder together with you then stay there Please stay there. As for most of the rest of us we wish to exchange ideas without the insults and problems you enjoy causing.
Ehud, I’ve seen the worst parts of the world. I know that God has blessed me and mine, especially when it comes to the subject at hand. I’ll never, ever, turn away a cousin seeking refuge and I find it insulting you’d even suggest it. At the same time, what you put off as simple dirt is in fact a part of my people. I never told any of you it was wrong to group together for survival, wherever it may be convenient. I said I’m not going anywhere. I’m sorry that you don’t feel connected with your homes enough to die protecting them. That, I believe, is the fault of “migration”. Had your ancestors been more hard-nosed, or less adventurous, perhaps, your relationship with the soil you live upon would be more intimate. I’m a part of this land and I’ll not have a filthy ape turn it into a cesspool.
Sometimes honor is more important than survival. I’d expect the Southerner to understand that. I don’t blame the boy. I’d bet the farm he has little or no relationship with the red clay beneath his feet. I’m sure when he gets hungry some immigrant hands him a paper sack through a drive-up window. Maybe he keeps his grass cut? This land keeps my family alive. This land has a part in defining my people. When the land goes without, my family goes without. That’s a relationship. You don’t pick up and abandon that for any reason.
As for you, Sherod; you’ve already been compromised. The Southerner that you might have been is lost. You’re too modernized. You’ve been successfully reconstructed to forget everything your culture stood for. Too bad, kid. You just go on “stratgegizing”, Colonel. Move to the mountains, horde your guns, dig a bunker, fly your battle flag over your big ‘ol pickup truck and keep listening to “Honky Tonk Badonkadonk”. Keep thinking you’re a rebel, keep claiming to be country and sport that John Deere ball cap proudly, but only if the bill is frayed.
Boy, you wouldn’t know Southern if it slapped you in the face. You go around callin’ grown men children and you might get to test my theory.
I’m sure your brave my friend MBK but for myself I will remain in the south and fight for all of her, not just my little house on the prairie. I and others understand the big picture here that one must maneuver and strategize when the situation calls for it to eventually win.
