Black Kinism?
Posted: 19 March 2008 03:08 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I am not really sure if I would put this black preacher’s message on a par with Kinism as I believe in it, but he certainly has fire and a call for repentance for his people.

He also is very clear that Obama is NOT black and that miscegenation is a bad idea.

Caution: this is not a G-rated video at the beginning when he’s addressing the “I’ve got a Crush on Obama” craze of some months ago.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

I can’t say “Enjoy!” about this one, but it certainly is enlightening.

I welcome your comments.

Laurel

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Posted: 19 March 2008 11:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I can’t say I believe blacks are capable of practicing anything within a country mile of Kinism. History has proven time, and time again, that without Whites to target and left to themselves, blacks will turn to the machete, butchering each other over even the most imaginary differences. Even the most die-hard black separatists in America have no problem taking handouts funded by the White man or invoking Anglo Christian concepts such as personal liberty, most notably the undeniable freedom of expression, all the while slandering the very men who stood before the most powerful army in the world to secure these freedoms for posterity, our Founders and greatest heroes. The hypocrisy is blinding.

I have to concede, though, that Asians, most notably the Japanese, put us to shame when it comes to being homogeneous.

...uh, oh! Beau’s back!

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Posted: 20 March 2008 12:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Phew! Beau’s back. I was beginning to wonder if you’d truly become so overwhelmed with the day to day that we were going to be deprived of your always interesting point of view. (In other words, we’ve missed you around here!)

The evidence to support your point of view is massive, MBK...and you have the personal experience to back it up, I know.

What surprised me about this video was the pastor’s insistence that miscegenation was wrong, and had produced the presidential candidate from hell, so to speak. I was shocked by his castigating of his flock for their weakness, and exhorting them to finally grow up and become fully adult humans. (I had to ask myself, however, is the only style of communication blacks understand the loud and dramatic?)

The question is, will his congregation be able to change to live up to higher standards, or...live down to the standards of the past?

As you have said, there is a whole lot of history and machete-waving supporting the second possibility.

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Posted: 20 March 2008 02:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Something to think about.

I wonder if he preaches what he does because he thinks it’s best for everyone or because he’s angry and wants to stir things up a bit. While I agree with the message, I neither believe his heart is in the right place nor will the message stick (so long as our people continue to give his a free ride). Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the whole thing will go the way of South Africa.

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Posted: 20 March 2008 03:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Take a look at this.

( I posted the same vid by mistake. Let me see if I can find what I meant to post. It goes along with yours nicely, Laurel.)

[ Edited: 21 March 2008 07:30 PM by My Brothers Keeper ]
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Posted: 20 March 2008 03:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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South Africa…

One of the strangest and saddest photos I’ve seen is one of what appears to be a former office building in South Africa that has black squatters living in it as if it is nothing more than the mud and wattle huts they are used to. Wish I could find the original…

About the video: can’t tell how sincere the minister is, or how the congregation will respond. The track record of the black population as a whole is not overly wonderful. But the pastor’s message is certainly interesting, and worth keeping an eye on.

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who really does not want to live in the new South Africa…

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Posted: 20 March 2008 03:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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My Brothers Keeper - 20 March 2008 03:40 PM

Take a look at this.

http://boortz.com/more/video/obama_mac_daddy.html

Seems like the media pundits are finally taking note…

Don’t know why I find that amusing, but I do.

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Posted: 21 March 2008 10:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Not that I utterly approve of the underlying message, but the memoir by Isak Dinesen Out of Africa is relevant here.

The Baroness von Blixen-Finecke (Karen) says of her coffee farm, and I paraphrase, “Everywhere I turn it keeps trying to go wild on me.” Then a character in the memoir named Dennis Finch Hadden -a “free thinker"- answers, saying, “It will go wild, you know. We’re all just passing through here.”

[BTW, I love what Chesterton has to say about “free thinkers."]

The connection to the topic is just this: the African and his descendant is a very different creature than the white man. Just like his continent, he is always one step away from “going wild,” that is, returning to the state in which we found him. And in that state of nature, he is finally and irrevocably incompatible with European civilization in its purest and best form. To the extent the black man is found, de facto, to be in some degree compatible with the modern civilization of the West is the same degree to which that civilization must be found degenerated from the paradigm of its ancestral forebears. While it is parochial to judge the African’s civilization with the judgment that we do, we can have no other judgment. There is no universal judgment apart from God’s. Still, we judge it with OUR values, derived from OUR past and say, “it is a brutal and sorry state.” It is the height of imperialistic folly to pretend that we are able to elevate the African, that is, make him white. And that is Finch Hadden’s position in the memoir. However, one serious drawback of the work is that the character Finch Hadden nurtures admiration for the African; he has, as it were, “gone native,” as some missionaries are known to have done. And what is the missionary’s work? Is it to bring Christ to the African, or to bring American materialism to the African? Christ and the means of self-sustenance is all that we should bring; to offer more than the tools of self-reliance to the African is to say to Paul, “Men that do not work shall eat” and to make of Christ something human, a social worker.

Now our critics may say that this amounts to genetic determinism. To this I answer, some things are fixed in men and some things subject to change. Many, if not all the elements that combine to create the potential for a civilization we would recognize as such are fixed in the African contrariwise. As Spengler attested, there are many “civilizations”, not one Civilization, and while they can and often do have resemblances to one another, they are essentially and irrevocably foreign one to another.

The black man is the descendant of Africans, and he is suited to his own civilization, if in generosity it may be called that, and not to the civilization of the European. All the more why the draconian, procrustean measures taken to first acclimate black men to white culture, and then, when this procedure failed, to induce in whites a guilt designed to fund in them a tolerance (and even a false form of “love") for alien black civilization within and segregated from his own are totalitarian in scale and scope, as well as being ultimately impossible to achieve.

Kinism of a sort is possible among blacks, one supposes, but it will not look like white kinism. Kinism is a confluence of ideas, some of which are utterly alien to the black soul. And as long as the sun rises, internecine, tribal hatred will be a powerful undercurrent in black civilization. It is only their status in the U.S. and their history here that provides impetus to unity. They have the cheap and false unity of a common enemy. In Africa there is no unity of race or kind; there is no “Africa” in the same way in which there is a “Europe.” And if the black man returns to his natural state of being, he will be at ethnic war with those of his own race until Christ has fully penetrated his civilization. The black church is often brought in at this point of the discussion to make the claim that the African population of the U.S. is “Christianized.” Well, that “Christianization” (to make use of a neologism) appears to have been possible under the conditions of, and even furthered, the natural self-segregation of the races. It is a commonplace observation, a truism, that Sunday is the most segregated day in the U.S. Now, if a white man were to visit a black church, he would be shocked at what passes for Christianity there.

The theology of Black Liberation has become part of our vocabulary due to recent events on the political stage. But those of us who have undertaken serious study of the black church know that the rankling, offending sentiments of Jeremiah Wright are no mere eccentricity. No personal foible of the “crazy uncle,” as Barack Obama disingenuously described it. He is nothing if not a skilled dissembler, like all professional servants of the “public good,” whatver that may be. The black church is dominated by Liberation theology, and black congregations are places for the airing of grievances against the white man, the insistence that the Gospel of Jesus is nothing more than the secular salvation of sanctimony about the plight of the poor. There is a term for it, and that term is Social Gospel. Well, friends, the Social Gospel is an ersatz Christianity that takes the mysterium of Salvation and debases it into mere pity and sentimentality. Black churches are as likely as not seething dens of political rancor, of hatred, of self-pity, and of “racism.” These facts are undeniable. And being undeniable they must be cloaked under such euphemisms of as “the black experience”. One must ask when this black experience ends.

That said, Western civilization has an abysmal record on that score in the Modern era. The “total war” of Africa and South America is a prominent feature of modern Western war. One need only look at the bombing of Dresden in Germany or Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan to see the brutality of which modern men of the West are capable, under the tattered standard of ideology. Ideology itself is a leftist contrivance. The West must look to its more ancient past and learn from it, if it expects to avoid the cataclysms and mind rot of its recent past and present -that is, if it expects to save its civilization from becoming a bane to the entire world in the name of so-called “free trade” and “democracy”. The violent export of democracy, or the prevarication of such in the pursuit of more pragmatic ends, is one of our chief sins. And if we expect to survive another century without the attendant horrors of millions more bodies under piles of foreign rubble created by billion dollar, debt financed corpse makers, we’d better alter our ends.

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Posted: 21 March 2008 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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John,

I haven’t read Out of Africa, but what you’ve said about it “going wild” seems accurate to me.

Kinism of a sort is possible among blacks, one supposes, but it will not look like white kinism. Kinism is a confluence of ideas, some of which are utterly alien to the black soul. And as long as the sun rises, internecine, tribal hatred will be a powerful undercurrent in black civilization.

I never said it would look like white kinism. Just watching the videos of the black preachers, especially the one whose video I posted here, convinces me that their “Christianity” is utterly different from European Christianity, as I understand it.

The tribal warfare thing I just can’t relate to. I don’t understand it. However, it is very educational to watch Africa Addio or Mondo Cane. They can be purchased through Movies Unlimited online http://moviesunlimited.com, and Netflix rents Mondo Cane I or II as well as Africa Addio (Directors Cut). I bought the entire Mondo Cane Collection from Movies Unlimited a number of years ago. Enjoyable? Perhaps not. But very educational.

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Laurel

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Posted: 21 March 2008 05:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Laurel Loflund - 21 March 2008 05:28 PM

John,

I haven’t read Out of Africa, but what you’ve said about it “going wild” seems accurate to me.

Kinism of a sort is possible among blacks, one supposes, but it will not look like white kinism. Kinism is a confluence of ideas, some of which are utterly alien to the black soul. And as long as the sun rises, internecine, tribal hatred will be a powerful undercurrent in black civilization.

I never said it would look like white kinism. Just watching the videos of the black preachers, especially the one whose video I posted here, convinces me that their “Christianity” is utterly different from European Christianity, as I understand it.

The tribal warfare thing I just can’t relate to. I don’t understand it. However, it is very educational to watch Africa Addio or Mondo Cane. They can be purchased through Movies Unlimited online http://moviesunlimited.com, and Netflix rents Mondo Cane I or II as well as Africa Addio (Directors Cut). I bought the entire Mondo Cane Collection from Movies Unlimited a number of years ago. Enjoyable? Perhaps not. But very educational.

God bless,
Laurel

Don’t be defensive, Laurel. I’m not saying you did write that. I was actually addressing My Brothers Keeper in response to his statement that blacks couldn’t come within a country mile of genuine Kinism, which I agree with. When they approach Kinism at all it looks like a Nation of Islam, Malcolm X type response to black degeneracy. However, they can have their “version” of it, which will be an improvement over the current state of affairs.

You can’t relate to the tribal warfare thing because you are a modern white. It’s a good thing to not be able to “relate” to it. But it’s a reality in Africa. The machete wars are all too real. Kind of gives one a new take on gun control.

Not familiar with the movies you recommend. Can you tell us a bit about them?

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Posted: 21 March 2008 07:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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John, I can’t say that I agree with what I perceive is your distaste with what you call “total war” when it comes to other peoples. While I do believe this type of warfare should be avoided at all costs when dealing with civilized warriors (otherwise I’d be a hypocrite in my hatred of all things associated with W. T. Sherman; may he burn in Hell), savages only understand savagery. I consider myself somewhat of an authority on this subject given my experience with the nomads of Afghanistan and the heathens of Iraq/Syria/Egypt/Iran etc.

Gentlemanly warfare should be reserved for gentlemen. Although I can understand your moral stance concerning such brutal tactics of war, as the saying goes, if you want to make an omelet , you’re going to have to break a few eggs. Animals have to be treated like animals and I believe, with every fiber of my being, that we’re in the predicament we’re in because we lost the will to be brutal. The only way we can keep these people in the ballpark of civilized is to control them.

Maybe control isn’t the most favorable way to deal with a people but it beats the obvious alternative; the lesser of two evils, if you will. After all, complete liberty is a European concept and maybe the others don’t deserve such a “luxury”.

My daddy used to say: “Mules, niggers and cherry trees: the more you beat them, the more they yield.”

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Posted: 21 March 2008 07:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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John Marshall - 21 March 2008 05:49 PM


Don’t be defensive, Laurel. I’m not saying you did write that. I was actually addressing My Brothers Keeper in response to his statement that blacks couldn’t come within a country mile of genuine Kinism, which I agree with. When they approach Kinism at all it looks like a Nation of Islam, Malcolm X type response to black degeneracy. However, they can have their “version” of it, which will be an improvement over the current state of affairs.

You can’t relate to the tribal warfare thing because you are a modern white. It’s a good thing to not be able to “relate” to it. But it’s a reality in Africa. The machete wars are all too real. Kind of gives one a new take on gun control.

Not familiar with the movies you recommend. Can you tell us a bit about them?

Hey, John, didn’t mean to come off of as defending my position. Actually, on this topic I don’t have a position per se. I’d like to see black people live up to the very highest level their race can achieve as vibrant, devoted, practicing, orthodox (in the sense of traditional) Christians, committed to the betterment of their people, having stable families and a low crime rate in their own, separate, communities. I also recognize that their track record as a race is not what one might call sterling. Quite the opposite.

So I posted the video to see how folks responded to a black minister who holds up a standard to his people. I don’t know how well he or his congregation live up to that standard. The hopeful side of me goes, wow! someone at least holding up an ideal and preaching repentance. The less hopeful side of me says fat chance…

Regarding Africa Addio...the machete wars you refer to reminded me of the movie. Back in the 60s documentary filmmakers Gualtiero Jacopetti and Franco Prosperi made a series of “shockumentaries” that got them labeled as either geniuses or charlatans. Africa Addio chronicles the transition from colonialism to “independence” of the African continent. It is a very harsh film and has been described as a “picture postcard from hell.”

I will quote a member review of the film from the Netflix site, I think it gives a pretty good overview of the movie.

You can’t handle the truth. That line from “A few good men” fits here also. I saw this film in NYC 30 years ago. It shocked me. I viewed it again last night to evaluate if life or the current state of the world has dulled my senses to this type of madness. Now that I’m older and arguably wiser it offers the same message. Peace is precious. The carnage depicted in this film from the sixties is still happening today. Africa Addio is in part about the black Africans quest for “Uhuru”, freedom, in Africa, circa 1960. It seems that the only freedom that came about was the freedom to kill and maim a lot of people and animals as well as the freedom to steal, burn, and otherwise destroy other people’s property. The film is brutal and violent. People are maimed and killed. Animals likewise. It is hard, very hard to watch. I hated it, but I watched it. I gave it a five star rating, not because I enjoyed it but for it’s educational value. There are lots of lessons to be learned here. It should be required viewing on all college campuses to show the gentle student body just what’s floating around in our gene pool. My suggestion to you who are about to make a decision to view this film is…don’t. I already told you why.

While I would change his recommendation from “don’t” to “certainly, if you have a strong stomach.” it’s no film for cowards, or people unable to face the truth about Africa and the continuing violence which plagues the place.

Mondo Cane is less about Africa and more about the really strange and disgusting things of this world; I recommend watching it, well, just because it pays to be informed. While many of the cultures and practices chronicled in it have become Westernized since it was made, it contains enough ethnic weirdness to make one’s eyes go quite wide with shock. While some of the events are acted, they are acted by the people who actually perform the deeds normally, as they would be done.

Don’t show either of these movies to the young or delicate. Strong stomachs only. Of the two, I’d pick Africa Addio to watch if I could only watch one.

God bless,
Laurel

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