Ministers on-call?
Posted: 22 February 2008 10:35 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I’m John Young, one of the directors of a non-denominational pro-European-American advocacy organization called European Americans United. My purpose here is not to recruit, in fact, I specifically wish to avoid that for reasons you’ll see shortly.

We are an ethics-driven organization. As such, we tend to attract conscientious people as members. Every one of our members is exceptional in some positive way, and every one of them is valuable as a member of our community.

But everyone can run into troubles in life. Marital issues, money problems, employment issues—you name it. Everybody knows that, as a profession, psychological counseling is a disaster. The last bastion of counseling that actually has values associated with it is—the ministry. Ministers can undertake counseling for many life issues outside of mental illness.

I am therefore seeking to open up a dialog with a Christian minister of any standard denomination with a Kinist bent. Our membership is about 60% Christian. I am also, via other avenues, seeking to open a dialog with an Asatru Godi because about 25% of our members are Asatruar of various stripes.

The objective of this dialog would be to establish a third-party confidential counselor (or counselors) who would be on-call for our Christian members to discuss values, ethics, their faith, and problems they may be having. We (another director and I) have discussed that EAU would be willing to make an offering in exchange for this service and provide the minister (or ministerial pool) with funding for a pager.

An important condition of this is that the minister(s) who participate cannot—cannot—be members of EAU but would have to sign a non-disclosure agreement similar to what our members sign relative to revealing the identity of our members. The reason they can’t be members is for the same reason employers engage third-party Employee Assistance Program providers. It doubly ensures the confidentiality of the member so there can be no potential backlash from anyone in the organization, and also breaks the chain of liability.

If there are any bona-fide ministers with a Kinist mindset on the board who would be interested in this program, I would be pleased to correspond, call you, etc.

As a separate issue—completely unrelated to the first—I am interested in interviewing a knowledgeable and articulate (and hopefully convincing!) Kinist for an upcoming Podcast. I do a Podcast for EAU called “Western Voices” that explores big-picture issues. We are an ethics-driven organization, so values are very important to us. As you know, religion is an important framework for ethics and values, and I’d like to give a Kinist representative an opportunity to speak to our audience. I could email questions in advance, etc. The interview would be recorded from a conference call in such a way that the actual identity of the interviewee could be kept confidential. Many of our members are Christian, and the unique Kinist perspective could be useful to them.

If there is a good spokesman/spokeswoman for Kinism who would be interested in such an interview, please let me know.

Thank you very much, and very kindly, for your time and attention.

Very truly,

John Young

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Posted: 22 February 2008 10:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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John,

You are welcome to contact me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). I have been the administrator of Kinism.net since its inception. I’d be willing to discuss how a representative of Kinism could be secured for interview. There are several “articulate” Kinists who would do nicely, I should think, and will more than adequately present Kinist ideas. We’d like to have some idea of your audience demographics and interests. The condition of questions in advance is also preferable, but an impromptu interview can also be arranged.

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John Marshall

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Posted: 24 February 2008 04:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I think this would be an excellent opportunity for college age Kinists who despair of a career.  Get professional training in counseling and do seminary school, I think that EAU will be able to provide a living for you.  Maybe not big money, but a living for sure.

One thing to understand is that White people in need avoid turning to “professional counselors” because they implicitly understand that the counseling and psychiatry industry is inherently anti-White.  There is definitely a need for counselors that White people can trust.  This is one of those things that you should dive into now and trust that you will have a job by the time you are fully qualified and credentialed.

For example, my friend Yankee Jim recently was suffering marital infidelity and as a result he murdered his wife and killed himself in the heat of passion and heartbreak and depression.  I wish I had access to a hotline to have someone call him and talk to him, and I would absolutely pay money and raise money from within the Kinist and White nationalist movement to pay for a counselor for a friend in trouble.  For example, we raised 3000 dolllars for Chester Doles to buy a truck.  We could certainly raise 500 bucks to pay for a counselor to talk a friend out of drastic and irreparable actions.

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Posted: 24 February 2008 06:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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So sorry to hear of your friend’s (and his wife’s) demise. Betrayal and despair are a toxic combination.

The development of alternatives to the mainstream psychological approach to counseling strikes me as a healthy one. To help those who appreciate the Christian perspective is admirable.

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Laurel

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Posted: 25 February 2008 08:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Hi all,

Thank you for your thoughts and responses. John, I’ll be sending you an email offline about a potential interview with a suitable person.

There is a serious problem with the general counseling available today, and even that is an understatement. Too much of it is driven by Marxist theories of differential power, victimhood and stuff like that. Naturally, there is both implicit and explicit disapproval of even positive racial-awareness much less activism. This erects a barrier making effective counseling difficult and leading many folks to avoid it altogether. This has affected even the counseling available from the ministry.  Please accept my sympathy for the loss of your friend, Kievsky. Rather than grieve impotently trying to make sense over such a great loss, it is good to see you thinking about how to prevent such losses in the future.

A person with pro-European-American sentiments is assaulted on all sides. Very often holding such views can result in alienation from close family, loss of friends, and even divorces—not to mention ridicule, job loss and more. Considering the unique psychological pressures that can be brought to bear in order to enforce compliance with politically correct ideology; it is amazing that we lose as few people as we do.  But we must realize the risk factors for alienation, loss of faith in the existing social order and so forth are present in spades. These forces are brought to bear on racially-aware white folks DELIBERATELY and with the specific goal of producing ill effects. These are the sorts of things that can result in serious anti-social behavior and suicide; so putting together structures to help prevent the problems and treat them when they occur is important.

I sincerely doubt there would be enough money up front in this enterprise to provide someone with an income; but I believe it has to start somewhere. That “somewhere” needs to be qualified clergy who are willing to undertake the task in exchange for an offering.

Clergy are able to perform—legally—non-mental-illness-related counseling. Properly trained clergy are able to recognize mental illness so that they know when they are out of their depth. But outside of mental illness, the troubles most people face come from expectations, ideas, bad ethical training, premises, moral vacuums and circumstances that generate conclusions that are contradictory, dangerous, or inappropriate for actual reality. These are all areas where a minister can do far better at helping people than a standard mental health social worker who has been steeped in Marxist claptrap for 20 years.

When I speak of a minister, I’m not speaking of pro-forma online ordination. While many people, even non-ministers, are gratifyingly familiar with scripture and its interpretation/application; there are crucial aspects of counseling that are usually provided in a solid theological education and are enhanced with on-the-ground ministerial experience.

We are a political rather than religious organization, so we are ill-equipped to do things like start our own church, train our own clergy and so forth.  This is just something we’re exploring and investigating as an option. It may be that what we’re looking for (supportive pro-European-American Christian ministers) just doesn’t exist. If that’s the case, we’ll look at other avenues. There are plenty of ways to get from point A to point B.

Again, your thoughts and consideration are greatly appreciated!

Very truly,
John

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