Western Civilization

Thoughts on the meaning and history of “Western Civilization”

Frank - 12 August 2008 01:17 PM

Faust - 12 August 2008 10:57 AM

Laurel and Frank,

Yes the term “Western Civilization” has indeed been perverted. In it’s original meaning Western civilization-consisted of these pillars the Hellenistic tradition, Germanic culture, and Christianity. The term referred to European Civilization as it arose in Europe during the middle ages.

The “Liberals”Necons have redefined “Western Civilization” to mean socialism, fornication, hatred of religion, and “capitalism.” When they say “Western Civilization” what they really mean is cultural marxism.

Perhaps in our restoration we can honor the more recently discovered influence of the Sumerians, among others.

From one of Heyerdahl’s books:

We have outgrown the phase when all the arts were traced to Greece and the Olympian Zeus, he says, and continues:

... we have learnt how that flower of genius drew its sap from Lydians and Hittites, from Phoenicia and Crete, from Babylon and Egypt. But the roots go farther back: behind all these lies Sumer. The military conquest of the Sumerians, the arts and crafts which they raised to so high a level, their social organization and their conceptions of morality, even of religion, are not an isolated phenomenon, an archaeological curiosity; it is as part of our own substance that they claim our study, and in so far as they win our admiration we praise our spirtual forebears.

When we praise the Sumerians as our spiritual forebears we praise a people with no known beginnings, a people who came by ma-gur from the sea.

pg 128 Tigris Expedition. Heyerdahl is quoting Woolley’s The Beginnings.

I’m looking back through Heyerdahl’s books because a friend recently challenged me to whether the original civilisations of Sumeria and the Harrapan group of cities were truly white.

It’s interesting that Heyerdahl also suspected Odin to have been a real person, as well as the other Æsir gods. (Heyerdahl is Norwegian and not likely a Christian since he discusses how he thinks tales originating with Sumer came to the Jews living in Ur. Nevertheless, he doesn’t press any other religion, except for the usual modern skepticism).

Related thread:

Another liberal victory: defining Western civilization as secular libertinism

Frank,

Maybe Classical might be a better word than Hellenistic. Yes the Sumerians played a big role. The Latin and Greek alphabets are descended from the Sumerian writing system. It seem likely Abraham was a Sumerian if the city of Ur was in the south of Mesopotamia. Some claim Ur was in the north in which case Abraham might have been an Armenian. Mesopotamia was a crossroads populated by many different ethnic groups; Sumerians, Semites, and Indo-European (Aryans). The first chapters of the book of Geneses are thought to date all the way back ancient Sumeria.  I don’t think there is too much evidence Sumerians and the Harrapans are related but many have suggested such over the years. We should also note that recently discovered site have shown cities were being built in France other parts of Europe in the time of the Sumerians.

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That’s a useful list, thanks. White-history.com is another site, though it isn’t very detailed.

Wikipedia claims Sumer dates back to 5300 BC. Though archaeology is extremely open to interpretation, thusfar I don’t know of any cities discovered which predate Sumer. Heyerdahl claims the Sumerians originated elsewhere and traveled to found Sumer where they mixed with the native Semites somewhat. The Egyptians similarly seem to have arrived from elsewhere to build the Great Pyramid. However, I realise many living in Egypt originally were of the “Old European” race which is thought to have all but mixed away.

I read somewhere the world’s oldest farm is thought to be in Ireland. I wouldn’t be too surprised to hear of something predating Sumer in Europe.

Atlantis predates Sumer if going by Plato’s tale

Wikipedia lists Mehrgarh (Pakistan) as dating between 7000 BC–5500 BC. Numerous burials have been found there going by the article, and I suspect they’re white. However, there’s only one way to research that information (someone must report honestly on the bodies…)

It makes sense that upon entering a “New World” a productive new society would develop. Such is how America was formed.

Breaking with tradition to pursue progress is how advancement is made. It’s also of course a gamble… I’m not saying advancement is necessarily good, but a giant pyramid is impressive nevertheless. And working on it might have provided an outlet for worshiping, e.g. we might pray and attend Church to renew our faith and virtue, and ah doing what’s perceived as pious service on a temple might serve the same purpose. I didn’t create this idea, but I do find it valuable.

Heyerdahl’s greatest achievement I suspect is his proving that people (white bearded sun worshipers) from one of these earlier civilisations did (at least were extremely likely to have… I suppose nothing is certain) travel to the Americas where they likely played an important role, possibly even in pre-Olmec and pre-Inca civilisations. He followed their path later to Easter Island where some there are still red haired. The Incan ruling class was said, btw, to be fairly white by the Spanish, and white red haired mummies have been found over there.

There’s plenty of additional evidence backing this up as well (art, religion, language, plants). However, the Spanish destroyed much of the information relating to the pagan religion and history to prevent it from leading the natives back to their dark ways.

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It’s curious these ancients were so prone to traveling. The ocean was as a highway not a boundary.

I need to learn how to create gif files like this one

China apparently has a claim to an earlier civilisation than I’d thought. The East Asians are to be sure a great race(s).

Ah, hope you don’t mind my posting so randomly. This doesn’t tie in so well to Western Civilisation but rather the origins of Western civilisation and perhaps of all civilisations.

Frank,

The Tocharians played role in China many years.

Here is an article on Ur of the Chaldees.

This is worth reading too Ivory bird displays ancient skill (European Art 30,000 B.C.) and Prehistoric France.

The Aryans: A Study of Indo-European Origins by Gordon Childe is a good book on the suject of the Indo-Europeans.

From wikipedia is the Sesklo culture (Greece) which it claims dates back to 6850 BC with a +/- 660 year margin of error.

It says the pottery is very similar to Çatalhöyük (Turkey) which wiki estimates at 7500 B.C.E. I’d forgotten about it.

The last Ice Age is thought to have ended 10K years ago. I wonder where Aryans were at that time, India perhaps?, and if there were any sort of civilisation then. Though, sure, Cro-Magnons were hunting in Europe at the time, but was there nothing else outside?

People say Aryans are well suited for dark, cold climates, but what of the East Asians whose slanted eyes help resist snow blindness? And they’re surely as monogamous as are we if not more so. I’ve suspect for a time that we’re the product of a sort of in civilisation eugenics which bred for beauty. Aryans are indisputably the most beautiful of races I’d say. However, we’re certainly descended at least partly from Cro-Magnons, but breeding can have an impact in short time, and we’re dealing with thousand year periods of people equally as intelligent (if not more so) than we today. They didn’t just sit around. Also, every Cro-Magnons/other ancestors didn’t have to live all in the same climate, nor all in Europe.

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Unrelated comment: there’s a claim that the Earth moved on its axis at some time and that Antarctica wasn’t always covered in ice, though I can’t find anything about it on wiki. It might be a fairy tale… but it’s a nice idea that something lays buried and well preserved under the ice.

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I can’t find a map on the web of Cro-Magnon habitat. There’s really a strong need of one. There’s also a need of a trustworthy map of where other Aryan-related races lived.

Frank,

You might find this interesting.

Old European / Vinča / Danube script

These symbols have been found on many of the artefacts excavated from sites in south-east Europe, in particular from Vinča near Belgrade, but also in Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, eastern Hungary, Moldova, southern Ukraine and the former Yugoslavia. The artefacts date from between the 7th and 4th millennia BC and those decorated with these symbols are between 8,000 and 6,500 years old.

Some scholars believe that the Vinča symbols represent the earliest form of writing ever found, predating ancient Egyptian and Sumerian writing by thousands of years. Since the inscriptions are all short and appear on objects found in burial sites, and the language represented is not known, it is highly unlikely they will ever be deciphered. 1

Thanks Faust. Wow, the earliest dates continue to be pushed back.

Frank,

Jericho was a walled city with a stone watch tower 10,000 years ago.1 2I read an article a while back on ancient cities in France that date back as long ago by cannot find the article now.

The Latin alphabet is descended from the Sumerian cuneiform but Indo-Europeas or Aryans did develop several known writing system such as the Irish Ogham, Runic Futhark and Luwian Hieroglyphics.

Wow, 1500 years before Çatalhöyük is quite a jump. You have to wonder how much interpretation is involved with all this.

Is a trade route establishment truly the first city?

A useful archive Sacred-Texts:Christianity

Canada First has sone great articles our civilization while written for Canadians they apply equally for the most part.

Our Heroes, Our History, Our Heritage!

The Sacred Grove: Roots of our Culture

Frank,

Here is an Indo-European migrations map: Indo-European Map

The works of Georges Dumézil are worth reading. The Indo-European Portal at Metapedia is worth looking over.

I’d forgotten about metapedia. It needs some updating too though.

I wonder how maps like the Indo European map are created… These copyrighted maps can’t be used I suspect, otherwise I’d just scan them in.