Foundations of Kinism
Posted: 13 June 2010 08:46 PM   [ Ignore ]
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As my post count signifies, I’m new, and I decided to become a poster here because I had a question about the basic doctrines of kinism as listed on the site: theonomy, agrarianism, and ethnonationalism.

I agree with theonomy, but could someone provide the Biblical bases for the latter two, or point me to some place where I could begin reading about them?

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Posted: 14 June 2010 09:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I think the poem “April Treason” by John Crowe Ransom has some great insights into this question.

So he took her as anointed
In the part he had appointed,
She was lips for smiling faintly,
Eyes to look and level quaintly,
Length of limb and splendors of the bust
Which he honored as he must.


Queen of women playing model,
Pure of brow but brain not idle,
Sitting in her silence meetly,
Let her adjective be stately;
So he thought his art would manage right
In the honest Northern light.


But he fashioned it too coldly,
April broke-and-entered boldly,
Thinking how to suit the season’s
Odor, savor, heats and treasons:
Painter! do not stoop and play the host
Lest the man come uppermost.


Yet he knew that he was altered
When the perfect woman faltered,
Languish in her softly speaking,
Anguish, even, in her looking:
All the art had fled his fingertips
So he bent and kissed her lips.


He and Venus took their pleasure,
Then he turned upon his treasure,
Took and trampled it with loathing,
Flung it over cliffs to nothing;
Glittering in the sunlight while it fell
Like a lovely shattered shell.


Strict the silence that came onward
As they trod the foothill downward,
One more mocking noon of April,
Mischief always is in April;
Still she touched his fingers cold as ice
And recited, “It was nice.”

Of course, I can’t speak for anyone here but myself…let alone for “kinism” as any sort of coherent movement.  But, this poem captures how man’s attempt at beneficial reconstruction can go awry by giving into the lusts of the eyes and forcing meaning onto the particulars of his experience.

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Day his sultry fires had wasted,
Calm and cool the moonbeams shone;
To the Vizer’s lofty palace
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Posted: 15 June 2010 12:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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You might wish to read some of Ehud’s writings here: Ehud Would’s Blog. He is very good at pointing out the Biblical origins of various concepts.

God bless,
Laurel

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Posted: 15 June 2010 01:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Biblical basis in the sense of a command or the liberty to pursue our goals?

Let me put it this way, are there commands or necessary inferences from Scripture that would forbid ethnicity being selected as the basis for nationality or political unity? I have yet to see a strong case made for such strictures. If we grant this, then, following the principle of biblical liberty, the positive case need not be made. I see no scriptural mandate for the imperial or cosmopolitan model of polity.

Still, there is extremely strong support in the Bible for the exegetical conclusion that ethnicity is the God-ordained basis for nationality/political unity. We can begin with basic axioms: the word rendered “nations” in most if not all important English translations of the extant manuscripts comes from the Greek “ethnoi” and indicates a distinctive people group, related by birth and blood in extended kinship. There is broad and ancient lexical support for this rendering. Natality was universally understood in the ancient Levant as the primary basis for political organization -which even the imperial Romans recognized, with their concept of the gens. It is extremely difficult to find exclusively non-tribal forms of political organization, and Israel was no exception.

Israel was organized on a tribal basis, not as a propositional entity. We can go into detail, if warranted, regarding the definitions of stranger and mamzer. The latter taken to mean a forbidden coupling, extended to marriage with non-Hebrews, relative to which access to the covenant promises (as members of the congregation of the Lord) was strictly regulated -a conclusion which we see supported in Ezra-Nehemiah. Further, this regulation cannot be said to pertain to individual belief, as the very basis for the enforcement of the covenant exclusion was generational and hereditary. If this is the case, it cannot be countenanced as sin to organize modern nations based on the principles by which God’s nation was organized: extended blood relations, or tribalism.

Many exegetes and pastors attempt to circumvent this interpretation by giving an exclusively spiritual meaning to the definition/composition of Israel, but this purely spiritual rendering is not well supported, in our opinion, given the necessary inferences from all the scripture that come to bear on the question of the identity of Israel, which must be considered at least partially hereditary. It is my opinion that the grafting of the “gentile” nations (there’s that word again!) into Israel was facilitated by a forensic adjudication, just as forensic adjudication is an aspect of reformed soteriology.

Israel identity did not “become” spiritual through some later modification to the covenant, nor did it ever cease to be a physical, biological identity. Israel was always both, simultaneously. And the adjudication I speak of is one that declares the gentile natality to be physically a part of Israel -giving an even deeper meaning to the capacity of God to make Israelites from stones. There was never any absence or diminution of the bio-genetic aspect of the covenant. If there were, then Matthew’s genealogy of Christ would make no sense to a Hebrew, as it is obviously a rhetorical device to demonstrate Christ’s status as a true Israelite. Instead, there was a physico-spiritual unity of covenant, access to which was by adoption in both the physical sense and the spiritual sense.

The purpose of the critiques of hereditary salvation in the NT are not to abrogate any and all understanding of the covenant as physical, but to ground the physical and spiritual together, ending the Hebrew’s reliance on mere descent to secure his status within the Congregation of the Lord. This is the very purpose of St. Paul’s use of the genetic “grafting” analogy to describe our grafting into Christ, as well as our grafting into Israel, whom alone Christ came to save. In my opinion, it is only in this unity of covenant that the promises to Abraham can be fully understood. When Christ declared the Temple sacrifice to be null, He was not abrogating the existence of a physical Israel, and even less race or ethnicity in general, He was abrogating the validity of the cultic/ceremonial practice of Israel (which was a shadow of the fuller cultic practice to come -namely, baptism and communion), and the purely hereditary idea of Israel identity. I’m convinced that there are genuine exegetic and hermeneutic issues with a purely spiritual Israel.

Using such a principle, it is easier to interpret Christ’s referring to Samaritans as “dogs” and Israelites as “children,” which is illogical if the covenant is purely spiritual, as the Samaritan woman was demonstrating greater faith than many Hebrews. I think that the physico-spiritual unity of covenant makes better sense of this, and similar passages.

The foregoing is supplemented by the following arguments:

-The creation-basis argument, by which the creation is to be propagated “kind after kind.”
-The argument from the prohibition against unequal yoking. Rushdoony in his “Politics of Guilt and Pity” is very instructive on this particular point, arguing that interracial (and some would argue inter-ethnic) marriage is corrosive of the very unity that marriage was ordained to foster.
-Then there is the argument from biblical liberty, as I have previously mentioned.

Taken together, these present a formidable case against the conception that interracial marriage must be permitted by societies that are regulated according to biblical law, or that the kinship-relation is forbidden as a political organizing principle. Thus, they may be used as law principles for the maintenance of public order. The scandal of black on white violent crime rates warrant such measures, if they are permitted. There are other, less direct social data to bring to bear on the question of whether what Rushdoony calls “uncongenial” elements should be forcibly joined, by law.

The project itself is not one of equality before the law, nor is this an issue for theonomists. It goes without saying that equality before the law is a well-established biblical mandate. Rather what arises is a question as to the appropriateness of government mandated social engineering. The separate is never equal ruling of the Warren court is patently illogical, and can be show to be so. Separate is never equal only by virtue of minorities having some “property” in white society that must be juridically enforced. Thus, we must call it what it is: legalized expropriation of resources by redistribution based on group identity. Those for whom race is a “social construct” with no basis in biology (patently and scientifically absurd), must find a different basis than the existence of a chimerical attribute on which to redistribute resources. Thus we see the essential absurdity of any and all race-based redistribution or favoritism -if “equality” is our stated goal. But it isn’t the real goal. Indeed inequality is the real goal. 

The logic of separate is never equal should, by rights, eliminate the legal basis for affirmative action, since it is based in part on a distinction of separation, but logical consistency of statutory law is not a necessity of statutory law, whose chief objective is plain to the understanding.

There are other important reasons, but those alone will suffice.

We’ll be publishing the paper to which Laurel made reference in the upcoming issue of the Kinist Review, where a powerful case for ethnonationalism is made by Ehud. In fact, a good portion of the issue is focused on this question of “the one and the many” and the orthodox doctrine of nations.

It’s late, and I have to leave the agrarianism support to another time.

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Posted: 17 June 2010 03:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Thank you all for your replies. I think at this point that I have basically come to accept ethnonationalism, though I still want to be able to articulate and defend it for myself and others. The Biblical basis looks solid, as does the historical basis, and the arguments against it seem to be nothing more than mud-flinging clothed in socialist propaganda—which reminds me, do any of you know of decent arguments against ethnonationalism? Most of what I have seen against the doctrine is less than academic, but I thought there might be some better responses. In fact, the reason I looked into this in the first place is partly out of a motive to disprove it.

John, thank you especially for your lengthy reply.

Blessings,
Ben

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Posted: 18 June 2010 12:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Are Europeans the descendants of Abraham? A friend would like individuals to explain this better. He started a website for the advancement of white families: Europe and Abraham He would like informed or otherwise opinionated people to add their knowledge. You can post anonymously. Thanks!

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Posted: 18 June 2010 01:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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There are those who believe so. This is usually referred to as British-Israelism or Anglo-Israelism (as distinct from Christian Identity). There is some evidence in its favor, but must of it is linguistic and paleographic, while little of it appears to be archeological. There are those who say it has been conclusively refuted.

For our part, Kinism does not in any way rest on the claims of Anglo-Israelism. Its claims are irrelevant to those of Christian White Nationalism, which simply asserts that ethnonationalism is a perfectly legitimate and biblical basis for the organization and maintenance of a national polity and political economy.

On a related note:

I think one of the reasons that White Nationalists tend to fall into the Anglo-Israel camp is due to the fact that it would add great support to the case for ethnonationalism because it would solve the identity of Israel issue, certain interpretations of which can present difficulties for some arguments presented in favor of ethnonationalism. At Kinism.net, although we feel that there is very strong biblical support for ethnonationalism, we also believe that the greatest argument in its favor is the argument from biblical liberty -that is, the absence of biblical mandates on forms of political organization, and the freedom of states to conduct their political and economic lives in ways that are conducive to the maintenance of public order, of which forced integration of what Rushdoony called “uncongenial elements” is not an example.

The arguments to “equal protection” which is simply a species of the “one law for yourselves and for strangers” argument is irrelevant because it presumes mixed nations as a starting point, when these only come about as a result of forced integration, and not as a result of human choice -which tends to almost exclusively favor separation, unless and until there is some economic benefit to be gained by the artificial arrangement of integration. Such arguments presuppose the integration of blacks, and then proceed to present rationalizations for their equal treatment, rather than making a case for their needful presence and integration in the first place.

None of the great scholars of reconstructionism or theonomy who favor forced racial integration have ever been able to make any logically consistent headway on this score, because there is a fundamental flaw in the foundation of their position. They must resort, in the end, to extra-biblical rationales for forced integration -a sorry outcome when one considers that to a man the theonomists and reconstructionists rely on the axiomatic status of the continuing validity of biblical law and the proscription of arguments from biblical silence for lawmaking, and (with the exception of Rushdoony) favored smaller, weaker central government -the very entity that enforces the artificial socio-economic mixture of blacks and whites, which is a condition that would not be found to obtain were it not regulated into existence. Thus in this case they find themselves arguing, against principle, FOR government regulation of racial affairs.

Your friend may want to link here, as well as to SWB, since this is one of the primary sites for the delineation and advocacy of “orthodox” Kinism. We call it out as such, where other sites leave it unsaid.

Please refer to this thread for the ongoing examination of this issue.

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Posted: 18 June 2010 01:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I think a more nuanced and detailed case is going to be made very shortly. There are several men of intellect working on it. I am working on it personally as well, not that I am any great intellect. As mentioned above, please do sign up to receive The Kinist Review, a new issue of which is slated for July. This issue will carry an article by Ehud, which makes a very powerful biblical case for the biblical basis of ethnonationalism.

I hope to expand on the arguments presented here, and will sticky this thread to accommodate an ongoing dialog. I am also considering joining this thread with that started on “European descent from Abraham,” as they are related topics.

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Posted: 18 June 2010 01:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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It all sounds good, JM. I’d join the two threads as you suggest as well.

Looking forward to the next edition of the Review as well, JM.

Laurel

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Posted: 20 June 2010 02:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Where can I download The Kinist Review? I saw that Volume 1, Number 1 was available as a PDF, and the publications section mentioned that all the numbers are available online, but I could not locate them.

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