Prometheism seems to be one of their movement cores.
And today: Matt Nuenke embraces it at majorityrights. Oh, apparently he’s the founder of Prometheism! Small world. How did he worm his way into a pro-white site like majorityrights?
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These are not white nationalists. These people wish to replace the white race and every other part of Creation with their own creations. It’s a somewhat expected result though since so many white nationalists, especially in Europe, have rejected humility before God and ancestors while embracing IQ, white superiority, and post-modernism. The natural next step is to take on a progressive orientation and at last reject racial heritage along with the rest. What is heritage to these people but a lower step in a staircase of progress?
The best argument these folks have is that GE will create superior beings and is thus inevitable. However, communism too was proclaimed as superior and inevitable, and we’ve yet to see it conquer the world. It seems a man practicing a true “will to power” would, if he cared for his race, defy technological destiny and fight for his attachment. If an example is needed: an ethnostate with its unity, wise traditions, and faith could defeat a mob of untouchables created in a lab. The future is not yet written.
I’ve received some good advice: to not overestimate the ability of these genetic-wizards and thus grant them credibility.
Nevertheless, understanding isn’t needed for them to tamper via trial and error. At first it could begin with the benign intentions of curing disease. Presently we have gene therapy - so the intent is there even if the ability is not.
I’ve also mentioned previously how we’ll miss our natural flora and fauna if we allow them to become contaminated with commercialized variants. These are all based on Created variations, but the potential is there to continue to alter them, albeit slowly and in small steps. I find it awesome that nature was created by the hand of God, and I would regret losing that connection.
I’m most concerned about the lost connection to Creation.
The most likely scenario: an embryo with some genetic disorder shouldn’t have its genetics altered if these can then be passed on to a child. At that point man becomes the Creator of that child. And from there other “defects” of decreasing severity could be corrected assuming the technology and comprehension allow for it.
And yea, something wrong will surely happen. Trial and error is how something so incredibly complex is understood. People would suffer, but suffering is a part of life. While that’s evil, the greatest evil is the threat posed to Creation.
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I’ll probably not mention this topic anymore at kinism lest the site appear too fringe. I was just shocked majorityrights would publish a transhumanist…
I’m not terribly concerned with the site appearing “fringe.” To “mainstreamers” it could not be any more radical as it is, and to radicals a little more radicalism could not hurt. So if you’d like to explore the topic further, I’m not averse.
Now, it is terribly ironic that well-intentioned “alternative” media figures like Alex Jones keep touting the covert “eugenics” program of the global elites. This is interesting, since the evidence is quite dispositive that their every effort is bent not on eliminating the social underclass or deviants but on fostering and propagating them to the fullest. Theirs is a program of anti-eugenics. Both extremes (that of so-called sceintific racism and egalitarianism ultimately lead to the undermining and destruction of race itself. In fact, eugenics cannot escape being logically equalitarian if everyone via genetic engineering is to become a “super” or an “Alpha.” Theirs is a only temporarily a classist vision, and ends in the equality of equal access to godhood. The massive depopulation that Jones rants about is actually not ocurring. World population is exploding. Depopulation is only seen in one particular segement of world population: whites. Jones, then, is victimized by his own “populism” and stringent avoidance of the race question, and is severely reduced in actual relevance asa result. The real eugenicists are over at TOQ, and they are not quite honest enough to realize that they’ll eugenicize themselves into a post-racial, that is, post-human future, since race is wholly human, and has no place among the gods.
I don’t believe man evolved from monkeys - there’s no way to get Darwin’s eye without at the least Intelligent Design. So, eugenicists who dream of breeding the strongest over and over to achieve a new level of evolution are deluded imo. The great threat is this GE which seeks to make alterations that never would have happened on their own.
Eugenics could easily get out of control and should be approached with caution. However, it’s been used in the past and is not in itself new. It could be done where those who do not meet some minimum qualifications are not allowed to have children. And similarly those with certain genetic diseases are not allowed to reproduce. Also, the very brightest or strongest could be given child support if they chose to have children - were I the magician designing society I’d establish an Olympic competition with the reward being child support for the winner’s first born. And similarly the winner of a chess tournament or of a Nobel-type award could be offered the same reward - also those who win difficult medal in a war could be awarded the same.
However, forcibly breeding humans as if they were horses or dogs is surely an abomination. And again using GE to create designer babies is also too much. The ideal would be to establish some tradition and keep to it, and also to keep things local while banning from the central state GE and other extremes - so the state would set limits while the local would work within those. A great danger would be a bleeding into inhumane eugenics. The purpose of eugenics is but to maintain the quality of a people in an easy environment where nature’s harshness doesn’t do this for them.
You’re truer to the views of Weaver, Kirk, and Chesterton than I am. So, I have a tad more faith in man’s reason than you do. Chesterton warned a society of more intelligent people wouldn’t necessarily be a better society - folks might not be happy being so smart. They might be happiest being as they were intended to be. I don’t think awarding child support to an amazing few would have such an impact as to transform a population though. Within a harsher environment as man has endured for most of his being a similar selection process would occur - so the goal is but to imitate that and thus maintain those genes which were Created.
My impression of white nationalist ‘core’ ideology is the same—it seeks a Darwinist godhood, and ultimately it is futurist in the worst biological sense. Creatorism and Cosmotheism are examples which worship the white genome and hope to transcend material existence through western science, whites having a telos in something like an evolutionary demi-god status. etc. This has been one reason I’ve been so insistent to steer clear of the NA rump. Know them personally in CA…rant/rant.
My impression of white nationalist ‘core’ ideology is the same—it seeks a Darwinist godhood, and ultimately it is futurist in the worst biological sense. Creatorism and Cosmotheism are examples which worship the white genome and hope to transcend material existence through western science, whites having a telos in something like an evolutionary demi-god status. etc. This has been one reason I’ve been so insistent to steer clear of the NA rump. Know them personally in CA…rant/rant.
Yes, that’s just it! I only recently discovered this way of thinking and hadn’t yet put it into words. I’d met more left-wing GE types (including a nonpolitical scientist), but this strange form of white pride is still new to me. They reject static existence, believing the white race is still evolving and is defined in its evolution…
And as JM pointed out: there’s no race resulting - that genetic heritage is utterly lost in transhumanism.
Eugenics could easily get out of control and should be approached with caution. However, it’s been used in the past and is not in itself new. It could be done where those who do not meet some minimum qualifications are not allowed to have children. And similarly those with certain genetic diseases are not allowed to reproduce. Also, the very brightest or strongest could be given child support if they chose to have children - were I the magician designing society I’d establish an Olympic competition with the reward being child support for the winner’s first born. And similarly the winner of a chess tournament or of a Nobel-type award could be offered the same reward - also those who win difficult medal in a war could be awarded the same.
The item I’ve highlighted is already taking place on a voluntary basis…one of my cousins is married to a lady whose family shows a high incidence of MS. They decided when they married that they would have no children as a result.
Still, I wonder about how the eugenic instinct displaces God’s will in many people’s minds. Who among us is to say that a person with MS is less human than a person without?
Whatever the solution, in nature many births and many pre-reproduction deaths remove genetic mutations and allow for adaptation to a changing environment.
Today we have whites who pursue what looks to be a maximally dysgenic breeding strategy. We breed late, the best often don’t even breed, we have few children, and we expend great effort to ensure these children live to reproduction age. It’s a problem partly caused by a soft environment. If we do not resolve this problem, whites will grow to be overly dependent on technology, overly burdened on supporting the weak, and/or will be replaced by those races that maintain their strength.
One solution is GE, and another is more traditional eugenics, including perhaps simply toughening the environment (e.g. as the Amish do and live without many technological comforts.) The choice though isn’t only between two extremes of Brave New World and an Amish farm - a middle ground can surely be reached.
It’s a big issue that would require more wisdom than I currently have. I can at the least see the dangers of GE.
Three noteworthy comments on eugenics: The Spartans encouraged their people to mate young which reduced later genetic mutations. Ludovici encouraged breeding within a race to prevent genetic mismatching. Modern warfare might be dysgenic, as opposed to more primitive warfare which to an extent appears to be eugenic.
but this strange form of white pride is still new to me. They reject static existence, believing the white race is still evolving and is defined in its evolution…
Hello Frank,
My guess is they realize ‘religion’ is cornerstone to a culture, yet they resent the cross. They find themselves in a dilemma since Chrisitainity has been the faith of the West for nearly two millennium. Thus, they try to substitute the old for a new. What better cements White Pride than worship of the white genome. However, in order to be a religion it needs a ‘telos’ and a ‘transcendent’ aspect. Thus, ‘transhumanism’ or a ‘transcendent based on scientific evolution’ is born. This is hardly ‘traditionalist’. Nor is it particularly flattering to the white genome (I personally do not want to be genetically engineered. I am happy the way I am). Likewise with Odinism, which is make-believe Wicca adapted to white pride, there is little that is ‘traditionalist’ about it. I’ve read some of Evola’s trad-occult writings, and I am astonished how little these ‘arch-traditionalists’ understand Christianity. Their views on Christ and the Church are more liberal, marxist, counter-cultural, and modern than anything orthodox or ancient. etc. Most of these WN are no different than the cultural marxists when it comes to religious questions. Pretty worthless in my opinion… at least no better than neocons.
Isn’t the agrarian life by definition toughening the environment?
Laurel
In my reference that’s what I meant at least by referring to the Amish. By being without access to modern medical care and by being threatened more in their day to day (e.g. a mountain lion might get someone), their weak presumably die more often…
The ideal might be to seek for those who would have died in a harsher environment to survive (with the help of modern medicine) and live full lives but not reproduce.
Likewise with Odinism, which is make-believe Wicca adapted to white pride, there is little that is ‘traditionalist’ about it. I’ve read some of Evola’s trad-occult writings, and I am astonished how little these ‘arch-traditionalists’ understand Christianity. Their views on Christ and the Church are more liberal, marxist, counter-cultural, and modern than anything orthodox or ancient. etc. Most of these WN are no different than the cultural marxists when it comes to religious questions. Pretty worthless in my opinion… at least no better than neocons.
That’s because they aren’t traditonalists. They are typically fascist progressives, where the state is the expression of the herrenvolk. Fascism and National socialism have been miscast as right wing movements when in actuality they are highly liberal. For instance, during the period of the rise of National Socialism in Germany the Deutschmark was turned into “scrip,” or an infinitely elastic voucher that has to be held in check by rigid price and wage controls, or runaway inflation results. This form of central planning is characteristic of liberal economic planning.
Thus the transferrance to the state of the capitualtion of the race meets with the messianic character of eugenical Darwinism and you arrive at the cultus of a people being located in the state itself, and the state, being the expression of that racial aptheosis, becomes an object of worship. It is for this reason that eugenics support is nearly always allied with statism/totalitarianism. If the race is god, then racial hygiene becomes the chief object of state activity, and we know very well where that leads.
If the race is god, then racial hygiene becomes the chief object of state activity, and we know very well where that leads.
Yup.
Or if “productive years” becomes a kind of god, how easy it is to believe that the elderly or the very young are worth less than those within the 15-40 window…
