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Bible Verses Relating to Yoking/Marriage

2008-07-03T23:12:03-05:00

The first relationship is, of course Adam and Eve’s. I found it really interesting that there was a substantial difference between the ESV version of Genesis 2:18-24 and the Young’s Literal Translation (Frank, you were interested in literal translations, and here’s a good example of the difference). I will highlight differences I think are significant to interpretation…

ESV Genesis 2:18-24

18 Then the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him. 19 So out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him. 21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22 And the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said,
This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Young’s Literal Translation Genesis 2:18-24

18 And Jehovah God saith, `Not good for the man to be alone, I do make to him an helper--as his counterpart.’ 19 And Jehovah God formeth from the ground every beast of the field, and every fowl of the heavens, and bringeth in unto the man, to see what he doth call it; and whatever the man calleth a living creature, that is its name. 20 And the man calleth names to all the cattle, and to fowl of the heavens, and to every beast of the field; and to man hath not been found an helper--as his counterpart.
21 And Jehovah God causeth a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he sleepeth, and He taketh one of his ribs, and closeth up flesh in its stead. 22 And Jehovah God buildeth up the rib which He hath taken out of the man into a woman, and bringeth her in unto the man; 23 and the man saith, `This is the proper step! bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh!’ for this it is called Woman, for from a man hath this been taken; 24 therefore doth a man leave his father and his mother, and hath cleaved unto his wife, and they have become one flesh.

Bible Verses on the Consequences of Being Unfaithful to God

2008-07-02T19:14:48-05:00

Deuteronomy 29:19-28

16"You know how we lived in the land of Egypt, and how we came through the midst of the nations through which you passed. 17And you have seen their detestable things, their idols of wood and stone, of silver and gold, which were among them. 18Beware lest there be among you a man or woman or clan or tribe whose heart is turning away today from the LORD our God to go and serve the gods of those nations. Beware lest there be among you a root bearing poisonous and bitter fruit, 19one who, when he hears the words of this sworn covenant, blesses himself in his heart, saying, ‘I shall be safe, though I walk in the stubbornness of my heart.’ This will lead to the sweeping away of moist and dry alike. 20The LORD will not be willing to forgive him, but rather the anger of the LORD and his jealousy will smoke against that man, and the curses written in this book will settle upon him, and the LORD will blot out his name from under heaven. 21And the LORD will single him out from all the tribes of Israel for calamity, in accordance with all the curses of the covenant written in this Book of the Law. 22And the next generation, your children who rise up after you, and the foreigner who comes from a far land, will say, when they see the afflictions of that land and the sicknesses with which the LORD has made it sick— 23the whole land burned out with brimstone and salt, nothing sown and nothing growing, where no plant can sprout, an overthrow like that of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger and wrath— 24all the nations will say, ‘Why has the LORD done thus to this land? What caused the heat of this great anger?’ 25Then people will say, ‘It is because they abandoned the covenant of the LORD, the God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them out of the land of Egypt, 26and went and served other gods and worshiped them, gods whom they had not known and whom he had not allotted to them. 27Therefore the anger of the LORD was kindled against this land, bringing upon it all the curses written in this book, 28and the LORD uprooted them from their land in anger and fury and great wrath, and cast them into another land, as they are this day.’

In this verse it would seem that the consequences of abandoning the Lord are that curses will come on the man who does it, his land will be destroyed, and his people will be cast out into another land.

Refuting Liberals’ Interpretations of Their Favorite Bible Verses

2008-06-29T09:37:59-05:00

Last month DanielJ posted a piece at his blog by H.A. Scott Trask, which is worth reading in its entirety:

http://tomorrowinvinland.blogspot.com/2008/05/biblical-law-respects-boundaries-of.html

One particularly noteworthy idea in the article was that “Love thine enemies” is a misleading translation:

Differences between English and the Greek of the New Testament can cause misunderstanding. Christ’s commandment that Christians should “love their enemies” sounds in English like a radical, all-embracing injunction that would do away with ethnic or national differences. Greek, however, distinguishes between personal enemies and foreign enemies. It has three words for enemy: polemios (a foreign enemy), agonistes (a competitor or rival), and echthros (a private enemy; literally, one whom you hate). When Christ commands Christians to “love their enemies” (Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27,35), he uses the word for one’s private enemy, that is to say someone with whom a Christian has quarreled. Never is this injunction applied to foreign enemies, the enemies of one’s people.

It seems it would be beneficial to compile a list of links to arguments that refute the liberal interpretations of favorite verses of liberals. Some that come to mind are:

“Judge not, lest ye be judged.” (Matt 7:1)
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28)—this one has been quite well addressed on Kinism.net, but it would be useful to post the relevant links here.
“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” (John 8:7)

Here are some liberals discussing their favorite Bible verses (might provide some more food for thought as regards interpretations that need refutation):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x1617

Bible quotes on races mixing

2008-06-28T00:13:48-05:00

Deuteronomy 7:3 ESV

You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons,

Acts 17:26 ESV

And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,

Leviticus 20:24 ESV

But I have said to you, ‘You shall inherit their land, and I will give it to you to possess, a land flowing with milk and honey.’ I am the Lord your God, who has separated you from the peoples.

Genesis 10:1-32 ESV

These are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Sons were born to them after the flood. The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras. The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah. The sons of Javan: Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. From these the coastland peoples spread in their lands, each with his own language, by their clans, in their nations

Jude 1:6 ESV

And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

2 Corinthians 6:14 ESV

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Hosea 5:6-7 ESV

With their flocks and herds they shall go to seek the Lord, but they will not find him; he has withdrawn from them. They have dealt faithlessly with the Lord; for they have borne alien children. Now the new moon shall devour them with their fields.

Jeremiah 2:25 ESV

Keep your feet from going unshod and your throat from thirst. But you said, ‘It is hopeless, for I have loved foreigners, and after them I will go.’

Jeremiah 2:21 ESV

Yet I planted you a choice vine, wholly of pure seed. How then have you turned degenerate and become a wild vine?

Isaiah 45:9-12

“Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ or ‘Your work has no handles’? Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting?’ or to a woman, ‘With what are you in labor?’” Thus says the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and the one who formed him: “Ask me of things to come; will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands? I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.

Psalm 144:11-12 ESV

Rescue me and deliver me from the hand of foreigners, whose mouths speak lies and whose right hand is a right hand of falsehood. May our sons in their youth be like plants full grown, our daughters like corner pillars cut for the structure of a palace;

1 Kings 11:1-43 ESV

Now King Solomon loved many foreign women, along with the daughter of Pharaoh: Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite women, from the nations concerning which the Lord had said to the people of Israel, “You shall not enter into marriage with them, neither shall they with you, for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods.” Solomon clung to these in love. He had 700 wives, princesses, and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart. For when Solomon was old his wives turned away his heart after other gods, and his heart was not wholly true to the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

Joshua 23:12-13 ESV

For if you turn back and cling to the remnant of these nations remaining among you and make marriages with them, so that you associate with them and they with you, know for certain that the Lord your God will no longer drive out these nations before you, but they shall be a snare and a trap for you, a whip on your sides and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from off this good ground that the Lord your God has given you.

“Abraham Lincoln on Race”

2008-06-18T16:43:45-05:00

“Abraham Lincoln on Race”

Abraham Lincoln on Race

Abraham Lincoln, the consumate political manipulator, often spoke out of both sides of his mouth on the subject of race, depending on who he was speaking to. Much the same was true of his utterances on politics. Here are some samples of each. Judge for yourself the words versus the reality of Lincoln’s actions.

ON POLITICS:

“This country with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.”

“Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world.”

With statements like these one wonders how Lincoln could have opposed Southern secession. Could it be that Lincoln was a liar? Did his words depend on who he was speaking to? Actions speak louder than words, and Lincoln’s actions brought about the deaths of over 600,000 Americans.

Was Lincoln a liar and a murderer as well?

ON RACE:

“What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races.”

— Spoken at Springfield, Illinois on July 17th, 1858; from ABRAHAM LINCOLN: COMPLETE WORKS, 1894, Vol. 1, page 273

“See our present condition---the country engaged in war! Our White men cutting one another’s throats! And then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or another.

“Why should the people of your race be colonized, and where? Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this be admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated. It is better for both, therefore, to be separated.”

— Spoken at the White House to a group of black community leaders, August 14th, 1862, from COLLECTED WORKS OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, Vol 5, page 371

“I will say, then, that I AM NOT NOR HAVE EVER BEEN in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races---that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters
or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever FORBID the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race.”

— 4th Lincoln-Douglas debate, September 18th, 1858; COLLECTED WORKS Vol. 3, pp. 145-146

Read the reast of the article here:

Lincoln the Racialist? NOT.
http://www.civilwarhistory.com/_/lincoln/Abraham%20Lincoln%20on%20Race.htm

Quotes: Politically Incorrect Southern Leaders

2008-05-16T09:11:30-05:00

Robert E. Lee

Quotes taken directly from Sam G. Dickson’s “Race and the South” which forms the sixth chapter of Race and the American Prospect: Essays on the Racial Realities of Our Nation and Our Time which was edited by the late Dr. Francis.
Robert E. Lee quote:

In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former.[Emphasis added.]

[Emphasis added by Sam Dickson not by me.]

Source: Douglas Southall Freeman, R. E. Lee: A Biography, 4 vols. (New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1936 [Pulitzer Prize ed.]), vol. 1, p.373. The letter is dated December 27, 1856.

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Sam G. Dickson quote:

that quote is comparatively moderate compared to other statements by this most revered Southern leader, e.g., Lee’s postwar statement in testimony before a Radical Republican congressional committee that the freed blacks should be expelled from Virginia).5

As Lee indicated, slavery was bad. The clearest reason it was bad, from the standpoint of white interests, is that it imported into the midst of a white, European people a large, alien, non-white race that, as we see today, constitutes a threat to the survival of our race and its civilization and may yet contribute to our downfall.

End note 5 by Sam Dickson:

Quoted in Emory Thomas, Robert E. Lee: A Biography (New York: Norton, 1997), pp. 382-383. Other statements by Lee further confirm his views: (a) in a letter to a cousin advising his cousin not to employ blacks: “wherever you find the Negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find the white man, you see everything around him improving” (p. 371); (b) “I do not think he [the black] is as capable of acquiring knowledge as the white man is.... They are an amiable, social race. They like their ease and comfort and, I think, look more to the present-time than to the future” (p. 382); (c) In answer to other questions propounded after the war by Missouri Representative Henry T. Blow, from which the first statement in my essay was taken: “Blow: ‘Do you think the State of Virginia is absolutely injured and its future impaired by the presence of the black population there?’ Lee: ‘I think it is.’ Blow: ‘And do you not think that it is particularly adapted to the quality of labor which would flow into it, from its great natural resources in case it was made attractive by the absence of the colored race?‘ Lee: ‘I do.’” (p.383).

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Thread retitled so as to include others in addition to Lee.

The Birth of a Nation A review by H. Seabrook

2008-06-18T16:46:43-05:00

The Birth of a Nation A review by H. Seabrook

http://spiritwaterblood.com/index.php/blog/comments/C9/

Quotes: Israel and US foreign policy

2008-05-28T20:12:55-05:00

It’d be useful to accumulate quotes regarding Israel and US foreign policy. However Israel is a sensitive topic, and I expect some quotes submitted to be false. Documentation will be very important: the word of a random virtual stranger is not good enough.

Thanks to all who contribute!

My Plea for the Old Sword by Ian R. K. Paisley

2008-05-11T21:39:08-05:00

My Plea for the Old Sword(KJV Bible) by Ian R. K. Paisley

An interesting article.

http://www.ianpaisley.org/plea.asp

Johannes Althusius – 1557-1638

2008-04-18T20:58:05-05:00

“Fairness for all citizens is not the same as equality of all citizens. To level all individual citizens without regard for their abilities, achievements, offices, or obligations is not only unfair and unjust it will only bring manifest disorder.”

Johannes Althusius – 1557-1638
Calvinist Political Theorist